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建议 What is next after Web 2.0?
Over the weekend we editorialized that the world financial crisis will have a big impact on where Web Technology is headed. Has the world arrived at one of those giant inflexion points, we asked, where one Web era is usurped by another? We asked you to leave a comment in the post telling us what you think will be next. Many of you did just that and also the post was fortunate enough to get to the digg frontpage, where it received 100 additional comments. Finally, we polled our friends on Twitter today and got many great replies.
This is an attempt to synthesize, analyze and categorize all of the responses from RWW, digg and Twitter. What is next after Web 2.0? Read on!
Technical Advances
Jason Palmer claimed that XMLHttpRequest and AJAX drove web 2.0. He thinks that "the next wave will come once HTML 5 and CSS 3 are fully supported on all popular browsers. This will, again, give developers more toys to play with, and expand the boundaries of entrepreneurs."
Likewise a commenter called Joseph suggested "moving away from HTML and onto more advanced, more flexible technologies; otherwise it's not worth it."
Guy Bendov wrote that "better bandwidth & stronger CPU tell me that it will be about "multi media galore". More Flash and Silverlight apps and much more video."
Webjay creator and ex-Yahoo Lucas Gonze is not convinced the financial crash will cause a generational turnover, however he said that "if I had to bet, it would be that located computing will become a huge factor. "
Sumeet predicts "productivity apps (that save time), PaaS and WiMax+utility computing as delivery."
Liz optimistically suggested a "Web Vista".
Digg user Mankrik had an amusing take on tech advances: "Web 3.0 will enable us to punch web developers who abuse flash and bad site layout THROUGH the screen."

Word cloud of the comments from the original post, via wordle.net
Semantics & Personalization
Will The Semantic Web ever arrive? Several commenters were optimistic...
Mark Johnson, Powerset/Microsoft Program Manager, commented that "the next era of the Web will represent greater understanding of computers." He went on to suggest that "if Web 1.0 was about Read and Web 2.0 was about Read/Write, then Web 3.0 should be about Read/Write/Understand." Specifically he said that "a computer that can understand should be able to: find us information that we care about better (e.g., smart news alerts), make intelligent recommendations for us (e.g., implicit recommendations based on our reading/surfing/buying behavior), aggregate and simplify information. . . and probably lots of other things that we haven't yet imagined, since our computers are still pretty dumb."
Dan from Web3Beat wrote that we'll see improvement in personalization, by which he meant "machine understanding/retrieval of user context via a mix of Machine Learning and smart metadata technologies that are able to parse out context in a way that today 2.0 apps cannot". He also mentioned "user-driven opt in data (+portability)" and "monetizing data, versus monetizing pages".
Aziz Poonawalla said "folksonomy, leveraged en masse, could render algorithmic search obsolete. you get Semantic web almost for free."
ajkohn2001 thinks that "Microformats are a pre-cursor for how the semantic web will deliver information", pointing to Mozilla's Operator app ("a microformat detection extension") as an example.
Damien Basile reckons we will move to an "intuitive web", whereby "instead of being so literal the web will give me tangental possibilities".
The Hard Problems in The Real World
Tim O'Reilly, whose company coined the term 'web 2.0' in 2004, has been lately pushing for developers to tackle the hard problems of the world. Here are some suggestions from our readers on this theme...
Education is one area ripe for Web innovation. Harley of WorldLearningTree recently submittedhis suggestions on how to revolutionalize online education to Google's "Project10ToThe100" contest.
Sandra Foyt is looking for a "better learning/connecting hub". She elaborates: "I want a command center where it's easy to share all kinds of digital media, while being able to chat or microblog. An all in one home base, with Twitter/Flock/Ning/Wiki/Flickr/YouTube elements."
Influential VC Fred Wilson pointed to a post from his venture firm recently, which was on the theme of the Web shifting power to individuals. Fred noted that "we are particularly interested in "disrupting and improving" education and energy markets".
Jorge Escobar said that the next era will be "Web Real World" - by which he meant "offline activities driven by web services (geoloc, mobile, niche)".
Jeff Tupholme wrote: "Web connects back to real world, helping save money on energy, recycle & share physical goods, create local markets etc. for mainstream".
Ari Herzog thinks that web 2.0 still has much work to do: "As long as the world remains backlogged on universal broadband access, as long as poverty exists in families and villages that the digital divide remains in vogue, and as long as cellphones are not widespread in developing nations, the concept of Web 2.0 is not going anywhere anytime soon."
Privacy & Security Issues
Privacy and security have been hot issues in the web 2.0 era, but they will become even more important in the next - as education, health and other 'real world' apps take center stage...
Gerrit Eicker predicted that "behavioural advertising will get into trouble" due to privacy issues. He also noted that "the Cluetrain Manifesto turns 10 years soon: We'll see a broad discussion about its impact. What's been achieved? What's outdated? Why and what hasn't become part of our lives, businesses, and markets?"
Tara Kelly of privacy app Passpack echoed Gerrit's concerns, saying that "Health care, education and finances are all *very* important issue to tackle, but they require a substantial level of data privacy in order to protect people from abuse."
barefootmeg said that "security is going to become an increasing concern, especially wireless security."
Business Models & Revenue
Of course while they're busy changing the world, entrepreneurs need to also pay their own rent or mortgage. Here is the feedback we got on business models beyond web 2.0...
Wes commented that it's up to entrepreneurs to "make things people are willing to pay for ... your ability to rely on credit to grow or experiment is limited by a general lack of confidence."
Ben Ruedlinger of online video app Wistia says that we will see "a shift towards companies building web applications which are creating real business value within the enterprise. This means either reducing operating costs or increasing revenues."
Rich Chetwynd of online training solution Litmos says that "the future of the web lies in finding ways outside of advertising to monetize user generated content."
Ben Young forsees "startups powered by 1-4 people, ultra small niche to dominate in, started for under $20k".
Robert Sterling tweeted that the financial crisis will lead to "dislocation of large chunk of US workforce & turbo-charging of indie work-for-hire and affiliate mrktg workforces."
Over on digg, ralphthemagi had some criticism of current web business models - calling the user-generated content model "You produce, we profit." He explained: "That is the driver behind Web 2.0. Basically, you can get people to *do work* (in most cases, creating content) for free, and then profit from their work by either charging them to do work, or selling your workforce advertising, or both. Of course, the "profit" part doesn't always pan out, but that's the goal."
Consumer & Communications
Consumer web apps dominated the Web 2.0 era. We'll continue to see improvements in the next era, we're sure. Here is what our readers thought on that front...
Dr. Taly Weiss sees web 2.0 being "enhanced" to help people deal with the global financial crisis: "People's life are about to change. Those people are active online. They will use the web to address their needs."
Bruce suggested we will see "more mashup type applications where people can entertain themselves and interact, but we should also see more useful apps with mashups so they can accomplish tasks more efficiently".
Paul Christian ('Fletch') sees the rise of a "non-elitist web and community of people who will make up [an] 8th mass media".
abhy hopes to see "more collaborations between websites. Nowadays everyone are on their own, it would be great to see more of services like www.admatchup.com or other banner exchange solutions, even in fields other than advertisements."
John McCrea forsees the walls coming down "and a new open stack (OpenID, OAuth, Portable Contacts, XRDS-Simple, OpenSocial, microformats) enables seemless interoperability, with users in control."
mark dunst said: "The web will follow the user. Folks will have central control of all their info (ex. health), media and converstations"
Wilson Craig said "The eradication of the fixed workplace and the complete disintermediation of information. Doing away with major networks, newspaper".
Rob Inskeep suggested "meta of content, communities of trust to validate UGC, creative commons privacy for UGC. Communities of relationships, not 'things'".
International & Mobile
Two trends of the current era are the increasing internationalization of the Web and mobile products like iPhone and Android becoming more prominent. It almost goes without saying that both of these things will become more prevelant over the coming years - and indeed both depend on the other...
Kumar pointed out that internalization of the Web is yet to peak: "Countries like India are yet to get fully connected.When at least 30 % of South Asia gets on to the Internet (right now it is like 2-3% at best), it is going to drive a lot of internet economy."
andi1984 said "the next step to Web 3.0 would be a mobilization of web-apps (e.g. iphone)."
John Metta of positorio.us said "location-aware networking. Apps such as @shizzow blending with rapid publish like @posterous to provide local content and interaction." He explained further that we can expect a "single interactive experience that changes 4 me not with app's location, but MY location."
Cory O'Brien expects "a convergence of data where you can put information in one place but access it through many other places and in many other ways".
Darren Sharp is looking forward to "augmented reality via mobile devices [and] serious location-based services."
Conclusion
The jury is still out on whether web 2.0 has officially ended. Of course the Web is iterative and so version numbers don't really mean anything. But even so we may see more of a focus on 'real world' problems from now on and a move away from consumer apps as the primary focus.
web2.0之后是什么
周末我们发表了一篇社论,世界金融危机会对网络技术走向产生重大影响。我们会问,世界到达一个拐点了吗,网络领域被另一个夺取会出现在哪里?我们请你留言告诉我们你认为下一个是什么。大多数人都这样做了,这篇博文幸运的在digg首页显示,在那儿又有100个评论。最后,我们对Twitter上的朋友做民意调查,得到了更多的回复。
我们试图综合,分析,归类所有来自RWW, digg 和 Twitter的反馈。Web2.0之后是什么?请继续往下读。
技术进步
詹森 帕姆说XMLHttp请求和AJAX带动了web2.0。他认为“一旦所有流行的浏览器完全支持HTML 5 和 CSS 3,下一浪潮就会到来。这会带给开发者更多好玩的东西,并且扩大了企业家们的边界。”
同样地,一个名叫乔瑟芬的回复建议“摆脱HTML,追求更先进更灵活的技术,否则就不值得了。”
盖本道夫写到“更好的带宽,更强的cpu告诉我下一个领域将是有关多媒体的,更多的flash和银光应用和更多的视频。
Webjay的开发者和前雅虎卢卡斯不认为金融袭击会引起世代更替,尽管他说“如果非要我打赌,本地的计算能力会变成巨大的因素。”
苏密特预测“富应用(省时),部分分配和WiMax技术+效用计算作为交付”
立兹乐观的认为web2.0之后是“web vista”
Digg用户马克瑞克对技术进步的观点很有趣“web3.0会促使我们打击那些网页开发者,他们滥用flash和通过屏幕进行糟糕的网站展示”
语义和个性化
语义网页会到来吗?几个评论者对此持乐观态度。
马克 乔森,Powerset/Microsoft的项目经理,认为“网络的下一个领域会代表计算机更深的理解”他继续说到,“如果web1.0是关于读的,web2.0是读/写,那么web3.0应该是关于读/写/理解的”具体来说,“能理解的计算机应该能够做到:发现我们更关心的信息(比如,智能的新闻通知),为我们做智能推荐(比如,根据阅读/上网冲浪/购买等行为隐含信息进行推荐),聚集和简化信息等等以及大量我们还没想到的事情,因为计算机仍然是愚笨的。”
来自Web3Beat 的丹写到我们会看到个性化方面的改进,他的意思是“机器理解/通过综合的学习机器和智能的元数据技术检索用户内容,这种技术能够以一种方式剖析文本内容,这是今天2.0应用做不到的”他还提到了,“在数据(+接口)上用户驱动的选择”和“货币化数据与货币化页面”
艾兹说“分类,杠杆集体能造成算法搜索过时,你几乎可以免费得到语义网页。”
ajkohn2001 认为“微格式是语义网如何传递信息的前光标”,他以Mozilla的Operator 应用(“一种微格式检测扩展”)举例说明
达米安觉得我们会进入到“直观网页”,代替了文字化,网页会提供可触知的可能性。
真实世界的难题
提姆 奥瑞利,他的公司在2004年提出“web2.0”一词,近来一直在推动开发者解决世界难题,这里是我们的读者关于此主题的一些建议
教育是网络革新的一个领域。WorldLearningTree的亨利最近提交了关于如何变革在线教育,将其纳入到google的‘项目10到100’竞赛的建议。
萨德拉在寻找更好的学习/连接中心,她详细阐述到:“我想要一个命令中心,当聊天或微博的时候可以很容易的共享各种数字媒体。一个一应俱全的主数据库,有Twitter/Flock/Ning/Wiki/Flickr/YouTube等元素”
颇具影响力的Vc弗雷德最近指出了一篇他投资公司的博文,这篇博文主要讲了网络将力量转向了个人。弗雷德提到“我们对‘干扰和改进教育和能源市场特别’感兴趣”
乔治说下一个领域是“网络真实世界”——即,由网络服务带动的离线活动(移动,利基)
吉夫写到:“网络链接回真实世界,帮助在能源,回收和共享有形货物,创造当地市场等方面节省开支,这将会成为主流。”
艾瑞认为web2.0还有很多工作要做:“只要世界积压着全球的带宽接入,只要农民和乡村有贫穷,而且数字鸿沟依然盛行 ,只要手机在发展中国家不普及,web2.0的概念不会随时随地立刻消失。”
隐私和安全问题
隐私和安全一直是web2.0领域的热点问题,但它们会在下一阶段变得更重要——和教育,健康以及其他真实世界应用一样占据中央舞台。
盖瑞特推测由于隐私问题,“行为广告会带来麻烦”。他也指出“不久Cluetrain 宣言快10年了:我们会看到对于它的影响的广泛讨论,要实现什么?什么已过时了?为什么,什么不会变成我们生活,商业和市场的一部分?”
私有应用Passpack的泰勒重复了盖瑞特的担忧,说“健康护理,教育和财政是需要解决的非常重要的问题,但它们要求极高的数据隐私程度,这样才能保护人们免于滥用”
Barefootmeg说“安全越来越受关注,尤其是无线安全。”
商业模式和收益
当然,在企业家们忙于改变世界的时候,他们也需要偿还租金和借贷。这儿是我们得到的关于超越web2.0的商业模式的反馈。
维斯评论说,这取决于企业家们生产人们愿意买单的东西,能力受到普遍信心缺失的限制,这种能力依赖于增长的信誉或试验。
在线视频应用 Wistia的本说我们会看到向公司建立网络应用的转变,这些应用在企业内部创造了真正的商业价值。这就意味着要么减少运营成本,要么增加收益。
来自在线培训解决方案Litmos的理查说“网络的未来在于找到除广告之外将用户产生内容货币化的方式”
本 杨预言“初创企业由1-4个人掌控着,超小型利基为主导,少于2万美金开始启动”
罗伯特认为,金融危机会导致“大批美国劳动力脱位”
在digg,ralphthemagi ,有一些人批评现在的网络商业模式——叫做用户产生内容模式“你生产,我们获利”。他解释到:“那也是web2.0之后的推动力。基本上,你能让人们免费工作(大多数情况下,创造内容),要么收取他们工作,或者卖广告,或者两者兼而有之,靠这些来从中获利。当然,利润部分不会总成功,但那是目标。”
消费者和沟通
消费者网络应用统治着web2.0领域。我们会继续关注下一个领域的改进,我们确定会有改进。这儿是我们的读者在此方面的看法。
泰利博士认为web2.0作用强大能帮助人们解决全球金融危机:“人们的生活将会改变,那些人们在线上很活跃,他们会使用网络表达他们的需要。”
布鲁斯建议我们看一下“更多糅合型应用,在那些应用中人们能自娱互动,但我们应该也能看到更有用的应用,所以他们能更有效的完成任务。”
普尔注意到了“非精英网络和社区”的增长,那儿的人们会弥补第8个大众媒体。
Abhy希望看到网站之间更多的合作,现在每个人是独立的,如果有更多像www.admatchup.com这样的服务或其他横幅交换解决方案会更好。即使不在广告领域。
约翰预见阻碍会减少,新的开放栈(OpenID, OAuth, Portable Contacts, XRDS-Simple, OpenSocial, microformats)增加互操作性,由用户控制。
马克说:“网络会跟随用户,人们控制所有他们自己的信息(比如健康),媒体和谈话”
威尔逊说“固定的工作场所的消失和信息的完全中介化,远离主要的网络和报纸”
罗伯提议“内容的原数据,证实UGC的信任社区,创建UGC的共用隐私,关系的社区而不是东西”
国际化和移动
现在的两大趋势是网络国际化的增加和像iPhone and Android这样的移动产品变得越来越突出,几乎不用说,这些东西在未来几年内将越来越流行——而且二者都取决于其他因素。
库马指出网络的国际化尚未达到顶峰:“像印度这样的国家还未完全接入,至少30%的南亚进入网络时(现在大概是2-3%),会带动大量网络经济”
andi1984说“下一步到web3.0会是web应用的货币化(比如iphone)”
positorio.us的约翰迈特说“位置感知网络。应用@shizzow混合了快速的发布应用@posterou,以提供本地的内容和互动”他进一步解释,我们期望单独的互动体验,这种体验不是随着应用的位置改变,而是随着我的位置改变。
考瑞期待“数据的集中,这样的话,你把信息存入一个地方但可在其他地方以各种方式访问”
丹瑞盼望通过移动装置和严格的定位服务增强现实性。
结论
陪审团还在讨论web2.0是否正式结束了。当然网络是迭代的,版本数并不能说明什么。但我们发现,从现在开始,很多人把焦点放在真实世界的问题上,不再把消费者应用当成主要焦点了。





